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Music. Welcome to design for the creative mind, a podcast for interior designers and creative entrepreneurs to run their business with purpose, efficiency and passion, because while every design is different, the process should remain the same. Prepare yourself for some good conversations with amazing guests, a dash of Jesus and a touch of the Woo, woo, and probably a swear word or two. If you're ready to stop trading your time for money and enjoy your interior design business, you are in the right place. I'm your host. Michelle Lynn, you
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Hey, hey, hey everybody, welcome back to the podcast designed for the creative mind and interior designers. I'm talking to you. You're already a pro at creating stunning spaces, but let's talk about your Instagram, because if your content isn't attracting the right clients and turning them into paying customers, we've got a problem. So that's why I'm so excited to have Angeline Harel here today. She's the co owner of next chapter social, a marketing agency that helps business owners grow through organic social media strategies. She has 30 years of experience in marketing, both as an entrepreneur and in big corporate So Angela knows exactly how to cut through the noise and help you build a social media presence that actually generates leads. Today, she's going to share a step by step strategy for creating content that positions you as the go to expert, attracts your dream clients, and, most importantly, converts followers into real business. So if you're tired of posting just pretty pictures with no results, grab a notebook, because this episode is going to change the game for you. So Angeline, I'm so excited. Hi, glad you are here. Thanks so much for your time.
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Yes, I'm I'm very excited to be here. You know, I just adore you. I adore your work, and I'm ready to to help all of your followers too.
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You are so awesome. So in full transparency, y'all, if you have been following my Instagram for design, for the creative mind for any length of time. Angela, how long have you guys been doing this with us?
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Well, over a year. I think. Has it been that long? Yeah, yeah. Holy crap.
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That's amazing. It's been it feels so seamless. So you guys can see some of her work on my feed. And so we're going to practice what we preach.
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Yes, and we've also had a little experience with Michelle and interviewers too. So we did, I definitely did a little bit of work helping you guys get that turned on too. So that's, that's fun. It's what designers do on their Instagram is, it's fun work. Let's face it, it is fun work. But
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HBA, we're
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going to dive into that.
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Okay, so let's talk a little bit about, like, I want to talk a little bit about your background. Like, how did you find yourself in social media? Because you and I have actually known each other in the peripheral here in the Dallas Fort Worth area for longer than we've been working together, right?
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Okay, well, let's see my short story of it's been a long line, deep road, but I've got entrepreneurship, I guess you'd say in my blood, I have been in the started in the golf space for 17 years. I was a golf retail and buyer and started my own consulting firm in golf space, and worked with resorts and private clubs all around the world. But the crash of 2008 put a lot of that on hold, so I started branching out into travel. That's my love language, and I didn't have a degree in travel and tourism, so I leaned on that, got my travel agency certifications and started working as an incentive Travel Planner for big companies. And so I learned how to market that business, turn that into a thriving one. So I had my golf retail consulting. I sold a few clients with that, and then I started the travel agency, um, and then I layered on top of that, I had a direct sales business for another 15 years that I was very successful at. So I have started and operated till that point three really, really successful businesses. But then I went through a divorce, and this meant, you know, many do that's a big life change, and I thought mistakenly at the time that it maybe I should try to go back to work for somebody else and see what that's like. So I did go to work for a big magazine brand, and I started in sales, but was quickly moved to the director of marketing role, because they're like, you know way too much about marketing. And, well, I guess I do, and it's like, we need you over here. So I took over the. Marketing for very large magazine. And really, I would say that was my second master's degree learning, you know, in that realm. So I did that for a few years, but then decided I really in true fashion. I liked working for myself, so I left the magazine and opened up my own, my my own marketing business number one, on my own, and that's where I did a ton of work for big corporate. So I did some work with Rodan and Fields, some give, give beauty, a bunch of different big brands where I did a lot of, I would say, fractional marketing work and and then I was doing some social media for local businesses. Then I met my business partner, Brooklyn Calloway, about three years ago, and she was a social media coach and teacher, and we met and realized we had beautiful skills that married together, and we formed next chapter, social so now we are this agency who has a done for you agency, but we're also coaches and teachers for those that really want to learn how to do social media on their own. So we kind of have a couple different lanes that we can help people.
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I love that. And so for those of you who are listening wondering what qualifies Angela, I think that all of your experience just and you understand the entrepreneurial life, and yes, so overwhelming. It can be that outsourcing or knowing how to get assistance is so important, right? And I love that about you guys firm is that you have the done for you and then, like the done with you.
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Yes, we have both. We definitely do.
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So okay, so let's talk about, in my experience talking to designers, and what I've learned from you as well is that let's talk about, why is it so important for designers to have content strategy instead of just posting randomly? Oh
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goodness, yes. Well, we want to take our social media out into the world to help us find new audiences that will then turn into followers, but then we want to convert followers into fans, and then we want to convert those fans into clients. So it definitely, if you envision a funnel, that's exactly what we're doing and we should be doing, but I think a lot of designers in particular, sort of get stuck in that top phase, and they don't move people down the funnel, if you will. So we're going to kind of dive into how we do that.
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I love that because it's great to have a bunch of followers. It looks it looks really cool for ego, but if they're not paying me, I don't. I don't care if I have 12 or 12,000 or 1.2 million, right? Show me the money matters
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not conversions are more important than virality.
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Yes, exactly. Although going viral is not so bad. Yeah. Okay, so where would you say some of the biggest mistakes or pitfalls are that you see? Well, I
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would love to talk about mistakes at the end, because I think they'll make more sense, but I do think that the very first thing that designers need to really figure out is is we're gonna talk about moving your followers, but I think it starts with you as the designer. So what is your differentiating factor? So what really sets you apart from all the other interior designers? What do you want to be known for? And I know you teach this a lot, and
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talk about it as like, what makes you a
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badass? Okay? So we want your your bad ass superpower. We want to talk about that. So are you a specialist in mid century modern Are you historical homes? Are you Kitchen and Bath remodels, you know, granted, and I'm sure you say this too, you can probably do anything and everything, but you want to get in the door as a specialist, not a generalist. You will definitely get more business that way. Now,
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let me ask you this Angeline, because, like, from my firm ml interiors group, we don't have a specialized esthetic or like, or we're not just Kitchen and Bath. We do furnishings and renovations and all of those types of things. Are there other types of special like, we try to specialize ourselves as the business process? Okay, yeah, business people. So are there other kinds of like, I say the riches are in the niches, or what other kinds of niches would you imagine? Could it be the way they deliver? And I guess I'm just confirming that it could be the way you deliver your the way you deliver your design, or it could be a look, or it could be or it could
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be about you. It could be about the fact that you're very young, you know, very young, and you are, you know, you can obviously not talking about me right now. We're not talking either one of us, but I'm just saying you. You know, maybe that, maybe you are the 20 something designer that's that is truly about us, and you're out and you and you want to attract other 20 something year old bar, so maybe you have that niche. I also said about ml, iG, you know, you guys were, when we were marketing together, it was always about how you get this whole team, not just one person, right? That was something we said was really a big differentiating factor. But let's say we, let's just take an example. I'm going to call her color color Connie, okay, and she's a color queen, okay? So she's someone who really understands, and this does go back to a little bit of the esthetic, but someone who understands complicated, layered color palettes she loves more and more and more, and her social media and even her style, personal style really reflect that. You can see it all over her her feed. But what's going to happen there is that she's going to really speak to someone who craves color in her space, and she's organized by, I mean, she's energized by like, texture and color, and maybe she's also a little intimidated by it, but she really wants somebody who paints a picture of what she aspirations, you know, right? That makes sense. So if you lean into this hard, let's say color Connie is out there, and she's very bold and super colorful, and she's attracting those people who really want that or love, that are moved by that those people, the more she shows her content in a really great way, they're going to be already sold by the time they finally I mean, it's going to be so much easier to move them down the funnel, because when they reach out, they're going to be like, I already know you're the one I want you know, because you're identified
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so true. Because color Connie does not have those muted California cool designs, because that's not the client she's going to want to attract
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she's not the modern esthetic. She's not the minimalist, not at all. She's the opposite. So she's kind of eliminating those people who aren't matches for her, and that's by being herself, mm hmm, being very authentic. So that's kind of the key. Now, that's just sort of the first step in making sure that you are that is your number one filters. Who are you and who do you want to attract? And so we should start there before we dive into the funnel.
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No, that makes perfect sense. And in fact, that's in my you know about my signature program, the interior design business, basically, that literally is where we start. Who are you? What makes you a badass? Who is your ideal client. And then how do you market to them?
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Okay, well, I'm gonna teach you how to market to them. Okay. Well, first, everyone on this call is, or listening to this is, is a personal brand, if you're an interior designer, a personal brand. And I like to think of it, and I know you've heard this term before, is content buckets. So when we think about as a personal brand, you have a personal bucket, a work bucket and a value bucket. Well I'm going to explain that a little bit. So personal bucket, this is about 10% of your overall content, so just a little bit. But people buy from people. So you want to be able to show behind the scenes a little bit show personal things, and maybe I'm not saying that you need to share your relationship trauma. Please, don't necessarily do that. It could be
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out of it, right? Please, please.
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But your love of you know, coffee, like you and I love coffee. Or maybe it's the dog napping on fabric. Saw just you can show your pups, you know, we, we're real good about that on your cockpit. With sharing a little bit of personal, sharing your daughter, you know, that kind of thing. So a little bit of personal is really, really important, because people buy from people. This is the big one that most designers leave out of their work, and that is the work bucket. So the work bucket is about 30% of your content, and you need to share what you do, who you do it for, and how people can work with you. A lot of times, we assume that people know how to hire you,
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right, because it's so close to us that we don't put ourselves in our clients
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perspective. That's right, that's right. So you got to say, Hey, I'm not just here posting pretty inspirational pictures. I here's how you can hire me. Here's how you can work with me. So we do need to create content like around that. Now, it can be subtle, and it can be in your call to action, but you need to be able to show content. Of this is, I worked with this client, and here's what we did, and here's how you can too. So it's, it's a, it's more of a call to action, if you will, and a content based post rather than the delivery. The delivery can be lots of different things, which we'll get into next. Yeah. Yeah, but that third bucket really is your value bucket, and that's about 60% of your content. So this is the biggie, and this is partially where I think most designers love to live. This is where you're educating, inspiring and entertaining your audience through your expertise, yeah,
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but you gotta
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think about it like through the lens of from your follower, like, what's in it for me? Why do they want to follow you? Okay, so this is your value. This could be where you're going to build all that credibility. You're going to share inspiration, and we'll, you know, we'll talk about that next. But that value bucket, it's not just open ended. You don't have to recreate a million different topics. You really want to have about three or four content topics that you keep repeating over and over and over repeatable topics.
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Is this your e, i, e, i, o, yeah, we're going to get into that. Of course, I might be singing Old McDonald for the next
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it's, it's a it's an ear for me, yeah, for sure, but the repeatable topics are things that Okay, so let's, let's go back to color Connie. So she might want to always be talking about color palettes. She might want to be another topic of hers would be, you know, featuring one trendy color at a time. And then another topic might be decorating tips. Okay, again, thinking of the lens of the follower, like, what's in it? For me, she's going to share some great tips. So how do you talk about those three topics over and over? Well, we teach a method called E i, e, i O, and it is proprietary to us. We did come up with it, although it's not necessarily a brand new idea, but the e, i, e, i o, think of it this way. So there's five different ways you can talk about a topic, entertain, inspire, educate, inform and offer that's your Ei, yeah.
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I love that. It's fun to remember, and it would Yeah,
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yeah. And honestly, the entertain, inspire and educate, methods of delivery, those fall into the value bucket. Inform and offer are kind of in the work bucket. So, I mean, those are just semantics. It's not really that important, but, but think about the five different ways we can talk about one different topic, and what we can we can dive into specifics if you want, unless you want to give it a go yourself.
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No, honey, that's why back pocket, I'm going back here thinking about our ML interiors group, and we've just totally fallen off the wagon since we kind of went in a different direction. And put you over to design for the creative mind. We're back and revisit this.
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We can, we can, we can, um, but Okay, so let's talk about e, i, e, i, o, like from Connie. Color, Connie.
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Color. Connie is such a great example. Yeah,
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okay, so let's say entertain. So this is there's so many out there right now, but think about, like, some of the trends that we're seeing where has a really strong hook, or a funny audio that you could put together. So let's say she's showing a really bold color combination, and maybe she starts with, like, a palette, a swatch palette or something, and she says, Would you be brave enough to try this? And kind of leaves them hanging, like, doesn't necessarily show them the finished profit project yet, or a trending audio that shows someone being told, or that sounds like someone being totally crazy, and she's like, I'm going to take this boring room and I'm going to apply this palette. But maybe you don't show them the end result, yep. People like, oh, I want to see it so, but you know, oh my gosh, yes, yeah. So you kind of have entertain them. So use and those are, can usually be super quick. A lot of fun trends, entertaining. Can really be anything that makes people want to watch till the end. So, you know, I'm always going, Michelle, can I have more B roll? Can I have people love to close the mental loop. So if you're going to make a cup of coffee on screen, you need to go, all you they want to see you. Pour that, put the foam on top. You know, you're stirring. They want to see the whole thing. They don't want to just see. Have you ever watched a recipe? Someone making a recipe? There's no way you're clicking off of it till you see the finished product. Yeah,
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that's true. That is so true.
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so entertain them is anything that makes them watch all the way through. So that's good, but it can make them laugh, but you don't have to dance, but it can also just be something that they can really relate to, like she sees me. Oh, I totally get that. Okay, so anything that falls into that category is what I would say, entertain, and those are really fun and and designers, I think from what I've seen, a lot of times we get a little serious the you and I don't, but a lot of other times I get a little bit more serious, you know, and we get, we fall real heavily into the next one, which is inspiration, which is Great, but we tend to stay here too long, you know. So inspiration is, you know, inspiration post would be a beautiful style shot of before and after. Inspiration is social proof from a client. You know that that gives us that credibility, which is great. You want all of that. You want to create that aspiration, something people that can see themselves in that place. So the
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entertainment, this is where your personality should come through. So my personality one way, but Connie color, Connie has a different personality. But this is where let me and correct me if I'm wrong. But to translate a little bit of this. This is where the audience is going to be watching your content and deciding, Oh, I like her. Yes, I like her. Her personality resonates with me. And then you get the social proof with the inspiration and the other things that you're going to talk about. And that compounds that decision a 100%
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Um, now inspiration, entertainment and even education posts, which we'll talk about, those are all pretty top of funnel, which is good. Now you can also use those same exact things as you get a little deeper down into the funnel, because it's just a method of it, or, you know, of style of post, but I think you gotta have a mix. So I feel like we just sometimes, especially when I look at a lot of designers pages, they don't put enough of themselves. They just show pictures of the spaces, which is great, but not not thorough enough.
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Okay, so let's dive into that for a moment. Because when I'm talking to designers on a regular basis, they they don't feel comfortable putting their face on screen. And I can totally picture. I can, I can literally go back to the day where I told my husband, hey, will you take a quick picture of me? And he was like, Who are you? Like? You hate to be on camera. I'm like, Yeah, well, I gotta get my business rolling, so I'm going to suck it up. But, but tell, can you tell the audience like, yeah, how
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to get your face on screen if you're not comfortable, yeah? Or just how
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important it is and you don't have Yes? Well, you don't have to look like Cindy freaking Well, I say Cindy Crawford, I'm dating myself, but look like Bella Hadid or whoever these chicks are, right?
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Right? Oh, wait, let's not even try. We don't know. But yes, totally like it. People do buy from people. You don't want to look like a bot account, you know, or to somebody that's not even real. It's got to be you. They're hiring you as the designer, so they need to see you. Now, that doesn't mean that you have to be like Michelle and get on camera and speak to the camera, but Well, the in the show notes, they can download a piece that I've provided here that's a B roll checklist for interior designers, and this would be a great place to start. So
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okay, so wait, let's back up on that. So you're going to provide a list. So let's
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okay. So in this list, there are all kinds of ideas for different B roll that you can capture. Now let me explain what B roll actually is. It's the it's a fancy term, what we call background role, and those are from the production days, but the background role is literally background video that you're going to put text on top of, or you're going to do a voiceover so you're not speaking the camera, but you're showing yourself. And you could have somebody else film you, like walking into a room, or setting up your camera. Walk into your room you're going to walk in, do something, walk off, or you at your desk, or you walking into a home, like, have somebody film you walking in the door of a new client, something like that, where you're they're now seeing that you're a real person, but you don't necessarily feel like you're, quote, unquote, on camera. I would start there. It's very easy. You can always record a voiceover on top of your B roll to explain some things, or you can, like we do often, is put trending audio behind it, some music, and then put some text on the screen. But. Y'all,
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I gotta tell you that that text, because there's times I look at myself, I'm like, Oh, that's not a good angle. And Angela's just like, Oh, don't worry about it. We're just going to put some text over it. You can hide all sorts of stuff,
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yes, strategically placed text. Do
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not be too critical of yourself when you see yourself on this camera, right? That's right. Evangeline, it's always That's right. They're
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going to be reading it, they're going to be listening to it. So you don't have to be so self conscious. I think that's a really good way to sort of warm into this idea of being on camera. And I think that leads perfectly into the third bucket, which is education, because that's a fun way to share an education tip to have B roll and then educate with one tiny tip. So it could be, and it doesn't always have to be, your face. Think about this, if you're a color Connie is doing an educational post about translating that crazy color palette into a real space. It could be. Here's three ways to do an education posts on that one topic, she could do a overall of the entire finished room and then kind of show the swatch at the air, like lay the swatch on the table to say, this is how we took this swatch into this room. And kind of start with the swatch close up, and then kind of pan up to the whole room and show it all done one post. But then she could also take a close up of the pillows on the couch. There may be, like, three of those colors, because, again, she's the more is more queen, and she's got a colorful couch with three colorful pillow and maybe it's just the pillows, but maybe it's the pillows with her kind of plopping down on them and just kind of putting her arms up and enjoying it and showing like, you know, I did kind of that fun personality, right? But she's going to educate how she used those colors together, or why she did or it could be like showing one colorful statement piece that kind of ties the whole room together. So now she's taken one tiny topic of education, and she's gotten three posts out of it, okay? So that all those I feel like are educating, you're teaching them something. That's an educational post,
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that's Yeah, and that also gives you credibility, right? The trusted authority, but that's also entertaining all it's like all
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things, all of it at once, right? I always say, you know how you know how you become an expert in something? Talk about it all the time.
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Really, truly, you
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want to be an expert something. Just talk about it. All about it. That's all,
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okay. So that is the So, that is your
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anytime, inspire and educate. Okay,
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okay. Another i
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and form inform and offer sort of fall into, into the a little bit more into the work bucket. They're a little less fun and frilly post, if you will, but they're giving them the the inform is like, the who, what, where, why, how, the kind of the details. So maybe it could be like, what colors of paint specifically did you use to make this transformation? You're kind of giving them the details, or you're telling them, like, if you're focusing on an event, it's the kind of the here's when it is. Here's how to register that kind of thing. So it's, it's more of an informational type post where you're just getting back the facts. And then the offer posts are that, hey, work with me. You can hire me. I'm a design, a designer in the DFW area. Hire me if you want. You know, a color transformation in your home, you know? So you that again, that kind of goes back to that work bucket of like, how, how can people hire you? How can people work with you? So
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are you giving okay? So that O is, like, the call to action, like, call me, work with me, DM me, whatever do you put call to actions on your E, I, E, I's, you, can. You
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definitely can. You don't always have to. Sometimes, you know how you and I will go through phases where we're in a launch and we're a little bit more call to action oriented, and then sometimes we take the foot off the gas a little bit and do a lot more fun, relatable, top of funnel posts. Those don't always have to have a strong call to action, but every now and then, you know, when we're in a launch and we're saying, hey, don't forget to register for this webinar. It's, it's more of a in your face offer post, because we don't want people to miss it. Sometimes we can be too subtle, right?
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And I think a lot of designers are a little bit more shy about, right, about promoting themselves too much. So that reality, you need to promote yourself more, oh, 100%
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so, you know, we were talking about mistakes that people make on Instagram. I think that is the number one mistake that designers make is is, well, lack of strategy, which we've talked about above. You. Know, this is the thing that we were really been focusing on, but then not selling enough. Some people say overselling on Instagram is a problem. Well, in Designer world, I believe it's the opposite. I
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totally agree. I sell enough, even if you put a call to action on the e, i, e, i, and the O is everybody reading to the end of your post like, that's right, you're you're not going to have 100% of all of the eyeballs reading 100% of your caption. They might just be watching your your E, your entertainment. Mm, hmm. So, yeah, I think that that So, would you say so, not selling enough, not showing their face and not having a strategy,
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yep. What else would you say? Yeah, yeah. I think that you really need to leverage trends, because the momentum that Instagram is automatically going to get you is really going to help you kind of get in top of funnel. So use trending audio that has certainly been the same, something that's really worked
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for us. Where do you find the trending audio? It's
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so when you go to after you've made your real and you go to add the music track, it will give you a choice of for you, and then one of the categories is also trending. So for you is actually really good. If you've been around for a while, it's going to deliver the trending audio to you that kind of matches your account. But if you want to go see what else is out there, go to trending audio. I also spend a lot of time scrolling Instagram in each one of my accounts that I manage and seeing like what their competitors. So we have files, folders where you and I save or, you know, I do my accounts like, Oh, I love this. Maybe we could recreate something like this, so it's inspiration. Or if I hear an audio that I'm like, Oh, we could use that. I will save it. If you can go to the audio off of someone else's reel and save it. So in your audio places, there's a place also for saved audio. So I will go back there and use those audios when we're creating content. Oh, that's
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fun. Okay, so to make sure I understand and kind of help translate if I'm listening to this right now, what you're saying is, as I'm scrolling, drinking my wine, watching TV, scrolling like just like a mindless Thursday evening, right? You're a sound that I really like. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, that's gonna go so great with blah, blah, blah. You can save the audio. You can
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save the audio. You can also save the whole reel that someone else did. So if you're like, I want to recreate this whole reel, this whole thing inspires me. You can just save that audio to, I mean, they're real, to a folder for inspiration. Or you can say, I just want to click on the audio and save that audio. I have a different idea. And you can
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that makes sense, because as designers, oftentimes we're saving stuff off of Instagram. But I hadn't thought about saving just the sound. Mm,
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hmm, sure can. That's very cool. Yeah, it is fun. Um, the other so, so trends is always good and and storytelling right now is is really a strong trend, but it's also just good marketing principles. So anytime you can tell a story, Take someone with you through a journey, kind of along those, those lines, storytelling is having a moment right now, but also series. So if you can do a series of repeatable content, our rookie mistakes is a perfect example. But even when in ML IG, where we were doing the design Tip Tuesdays, yeah, those got a ton of, you know, anytime you can repeat something and and you're now seeing this repeatable content. People like, Oh, I love these. I love these. So they're going to click on and watch them. Those are always our, our highest shared, highest saved, highest viewed type content.
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Probably need to get you back onto my ml, IG account. Anytime. But let's talk about that for a second. So I'm going to do a gratuitous plug for your next chapter social so you offer like so for me right now, for design, for the creative mind, like Angeline and I meet once a month. We talk about what we're going to be, what's going on, and then you are doing all my posts, all my captions. I'm just doing the the B roll stuff like, and I know I need to get you more. But then the also having this might be what we do for ml now is explain how you like do the coaching? You've got two buckets of coaching, correct?
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Yeah, we do. So we have a social club that is a very accessible group for female entrepreneurs. And this kind of was born out of my history with direct sales, because you. In the direct sales world, I had a huge team of women that I collaborated with, shared ideas with, we partnered together. It was amazing, and it was such a good community, if you will. And then when I met Brooklyn, she had a group coaching program of women. We're kind of a mastermind group, and we combine these two to create social club, because a lot of times, entrepreneurs just don't have that community of other entrepreneurs who are doing, you know, kind of out there in the trenches themselves. And really these this is for women who are want to do their own social media. They're willing to show up, even if they're scared, they're willing, but they need some accountability and some training and some support and a place to ask questions. So we meet on Zoom twice a month, and it's it starts on Tuesday afternoon. It's less than $500 a year to be a member of social club. So it's very accessible. So that is one way that is group coaching, and then we have a one on one coaching, and we have a couple different levels of that, if you need a little bit more help building a funnel, or, you know, working with your branding, like your identity, if you need some help, we can do a short term or long term. There's some different ways you can reach out to us at next chapter social, and we can help you figure out what's a good fit for you. I love that. Absolutely
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love it. And just personal testimony is that you have been wonderful to work with. So
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thank you, likewise.
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So let's, let's share, because I know the audience has loved everything that you've had to say, and that was, that was a lot, so y'all probably just need to rewind and go listen again to take notes. But how can our audience? Where can they connect with you? We are at next
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chapter, social.com, and on Instagram at next chapter, social and on YouTube at next chapter, social use. You can take some free classes there, even on Pinterest. So yeah, just look us up. We're honor those handles everywhere, and we'll have that freebie B roll checklist for you in the show notes, so that can be something helpful you can print out and and use that to kind of create some good content for yourself. Yes,
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I love that. I will make sure that those details are listed in the show notes in addition to your freebie B roll. Try saying that three times fast. I know we did it. I'll make sure that those are there so Angeline, thank you so much. This has been such a pleasure. It's always fun to interact with
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you. Always. I love being with you.
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Well, y'all. That is a wrap on today's episode. If you loved what you heard, please don't keep it to yourself. Share it with fellow designer who could use a little inspiration, little insight, and let's keep the conversation going. In fact, head over to my Instagram, designed for the creative mind, see what Angeline has helped me put together, and DM me or tag me with your biggest takeaway. So just as a reminder, remember, success doesn't happen by chance. It happens by design. If you need some support, I'm here for you. And oh, this is going to be coming out on the 31st which is going to be the first day of our rolling in the dough workshop. So if you're listening to this on the 31st or on the first or on the second, there's still time to head on over to rolling in the dough. Go to design for the mind. Design for the creative mind. Calm workshops, rolling in the dough. So that's a wrap. Y'all here to support you every step of the way. Thanks again, Angeline and we will catch you guys on the flip side is that my new sign off? I don't know. Hey, y'all, if you love the show and find it useful, I would really appreciate it if you would share with your friends and followers, and if you like what you're hearing, want to put a face with a name and get even more business advice, then join me in my Facebook group, the interior designers business launch pad. Yeah, I know it's Facebook, but just come on in for the training and then leave without scrolling your feet. It's fun. I promise you'll enjoy it. And finally, I hear it's good for business to get ratings on your podcast, so please drop yours on whatever platform you use to listen to this, we're all about community over competition, so let's work on elevating our industry one designer at a time. See you next time you.
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